Comments on: Faith, Works, God’s the Guy with the Gun http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/16/faith-works-gods-the-guy-with-the-gun/ The Christianity Stack Exchange Blog Fri, 27 Jan 2017 11:19:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.6 By: Peter Turner http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/16/faith-works-gods-the-guy-with-the-gun/#comment-489 Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:16:55 +0000 http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/?p=922#comment-489 I think that’s the modern consensus, that selling of indulgences was some sort of power play on salvation by the church of the middle ages, but it’s based on the modern consensus that the serf of the middle ages was more superstitious (at least concerning the efficacy of a piece of paper) than we are today.

For instance, I wear a scapular, the scapular has a promise “whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire”. I certainly hope in that promise and would do well to do my part to make up the other side of the promise, but I don’t base my entire faith off it, nor do I think that God would send me to hell (or that God sends anyone to hell who doesn’t show through their faith and works that that is their desired eternal residence) for dying without wearing my scapular.

I think I’ll try and crowdsource and answer to whether or not the medieval Catholic Church said that people who did not get indulgences were going to Hell.

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By: Peter Turner http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/16/faith-works-gods-the-guy-with-the-gun/#comment-488 Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:06:24 +0000 http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/?p=922#comment-488 Thanks! Heh, the part about indulgences was pretty much to accentuate one of the most exceptional parts of Catholicism (as opposed to the various denominations I’m familiar with in the USA). I’d imagine if I’d had substituted the “corporal works of mercy” we’d be nearly wholly on the same page.

I enjoyed the letter I quoted there from Luther. When I had just read an excerpt I thought it was something that was misquoted, but when I read the whole thing I was astonished by his… humanity.

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By: Jas 3.1 http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/16/faith-works-gods-the-guy-with-the-gun/#comment-482 Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:23:51 +0000 http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/?p=922#comment-482 Peter, this was an excellent post.

The more I learn about Catholic doctrine, the more I respect it. Indulgences aside, my view on salvation is actually very close to what you described here.

As a side note, most things I read by (or about) Luther make me chuckle. He was definitely ‘human’… :p

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By: Jon Ericson http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/2012/07/16/faith-works-gods-the-guy-with-the-gun/#comment-481 Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:04:56 +0000 http://christianity.blogoverflow.com/?p=922#comment-481 Did you post The Last Judgment for my sake? At any rate, it brings home the part that we can agree upon: God gets the final say. The problem with indulgences as I see it (and Luther would likely agree) is that, whatever the church professed, the practical result of selling them for many ordinary people was to signal that the church held the gun.

Luther was German, so we must forgive his foibles, just as we forgive Polish Popes and cheeseheads theirs. The one person we ought not be embarrassed to be associated with is, as you say, our Lord Jesus.

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